Food for thought: Every year the world’s human population grows at an ever-increasing rate of more than 83,000,000 a year, per Wikipedia. Diet and medical care, mostly in China/Africa and India make this possible.
The United States is at near zero population growth even with almost a million immigrants per year added. Energy use is fairly stable in the United States, but growing by a huge factor in the developing nations. China adds a coal-fired power plant per month and has for years, using a lot of dirty North Korean coal. China also builds coal-fired power plants in other nations.
China and India have more autos than we do, using leaded fuel, with the number growing at an ever-increasing rate. The oceans are mostly polluted by Asian nations. If man-made climate change is real, the United States cannot stop it; truth be known, we can’t even slow it for any length of time.
Twelve years or less to the unstoppable end, per Senators Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
If climate change is real, we cannot stop it in the United States no matter how much money we toss at it. Folks do not want to accept that, but in 12 years at current rates we will be a very, very small factor in climate change. In 12 years, the world will have in excess of 1.2 billion more people, a lot more, perhaps 2 billion, along with the automobiles, homes, goods, services, waste human and animal and pollution.
If we believe the United Nations and others it is all over for personkind. Let us hope this is but one more “end of the world is upon us” exaggeration like Y2K, global warming, global cooling, nuclear holocaust, the hole in the ozone layer, pandemics, and hundreds of cult-based predictions.
I am not calling those who worship at the alter of earth science any names or even saying they are wrong, but I am saying that the Unites States of America can be taken totally out of the equation. Completely eliminate every fog, dog and hog, man woman and child, SUV, power plant, plastic straw, cow, pig, horse, farm and the numbers dictate the predicted end will only take a few years longer.
The equation is elementary; it will take less than 3.5 years for the human population to replace our 320 million.
The climate change industry needs the United States to believe we can fix the world climate problems; they need our money or want our money. We can be 100% green, if the climate change folks could wave a magic wand and we will have a zero-carbon footprint. It is impossible with humans and animals living in our nation, and the world will still end just a few years later.
The climate change industry will say that the United States is the problem; if we cleanup our act it will save the world. It will indeed for a short while, then the exploding population in Asia, Africa, and the Pacific Rim along with the expanding use of fossil fuels will make up the amount of carbon. The food necessary to feed up to two billion more people along with the energy necessary to produce even the wind and solar energy equipment necessary to provide goods and services will make our current carbon foot print a speck.
To all those who think we can save the world if climate change is real, please do the math. China has a larger carbon foot print than we do, India is not far behind and Indonesia is closing fast. The energy necessary to feed, transport, house and care for the world’s exploding population cannot be ignored. If climate change is real, and if no one is playing the ‘end of the world’ game played so many times before, it is time for the obese female to sing. None of the 100 most polluted cities in the world are in the United States. 92 are in China and India, and those cities have a population over two times that of the entire United States and growing at an explosive rate.
China has ten times the number of coal- fired power plants that we do, with one point two times under construction. The plants have an average life span of 46 years, do the math.
Army Bob
OH BOY!! You really didn’t “sugar coat ” this one.
Those claiming and playing the climate change card are going to have a break down. All because no matter what the United States does it will not change the out come.
We may try to set an example, but other countries are not willing or able to do that. Can you imagine the outcry when people by the thousands in those countries you mentioned starve because they can’t product the necessary food .
Of course, twelve years from now I will likely be fortunate to be alive. Regardless to try to change the unchangeable is a futile waste of time and money.
The best hope might be “fasten your seatbelts this could be a interesting ride”
Mr. Smit,
Harry,
Thanks for the comment.
I think the green folks have overplayed their hand a good bit, as they did in the past. Miami and New York are not underwater as Vice President Gore promised along with “all the real scientists, all the correct scientists” way back in 1992.
Thanks for the comment.
//s//Traxler
Another huge piece of the ice shelf has fallen from the southern ice cap, and one more threatens to separate – one the size of South Dakota. Water levels from those lost pieces is estimated to be a 24 foot increase overall. Not a damn thing we can do about it.
We are helpless and shouldn’t be expected to even try to make a difference, be it monetary, moral, or by example.
Lay in your supplies, folks. Dig your shelter and arm your weapons for the onslaught of marauders who will beat down your doors for your food, water and dry shelter. Make sure your respirators are in working order.
Green is the new black, as in black lung.
Give up. All is lost! The end is near!
Ms. Mandaville,
Thank you kindly for the comment.
Please do the math.
If the predictions of climate change are real, then the United States cannot stop it. I find it interesting an intelligent person who believes hole wholeheartedly in Global Climate Change makes fun of numbers that are irrefutable if you believe the U.N. and climate change advocates. Perhaps just perhaps the climate Change folks have over played their hand? One needs to build a bunker if and only if we take the “Chicken Littles” predicting an unstoppable climate disaster and the end of the world at their word, yet one more time.
Thank you for the comment.
You misunderstand me, sir. I am applauding your end-of-the-world attitude that we cannot make a difference in whatever may be happening. It’s the rest of the world that is doing the harm to the global environment, and it is wiser to keep denying climate change, bury our heads in the sand and give up. Besides, you and I will be dead long before anyone can say who was right or wrong, so why expend the energy?
That’s what scientists have been saying for decades. Talk about one note Johnnie’s! Of course, without creating controversy and consternation, they won’t get funding for research.
This is all about power and who spends your money – and it won’t be you. Stupid Americans. You’re too foolish to know Demorats know what is best for you.
Charlatans and thieves!
24 feet increase in sea level? Where did the number come from – Algore? Or the snarling, sniveling Swede?
I have a question. If the “global climate change” is actually happening, what is the solution(s)? Give more of our money to politicians to “fix” it? Really?
Which one of you clamoring for change is willing to give up electricity, water from the tap for cooking/bathing, cell phones, grocery stores, all transportation, heating and air conditioning, and willing to become an 1800’s self-reliant person to feed and clothe yourself? How many own and use weapons to hunt game? How many are willing to give up life as you know it? Before you protest anymore about climate change, you may want to examine a mirror to see wherein the problem lies.
Ouch, that one stung!! Great question………Similar is the argument, “give more money to the schools and test scores will improve.” Joke!!
Good, DOTM! You’ve given up, too. That’s where it’s at, my friends. Find serenity in lack of concern. Find the peace that ignoring a situation gives us. You are to be praised, my friend! No wasted time recycling your trash. No wasted brain power consolidating your trips to the big city into once a week. No supplementing your grocery purchases with homegrown produce, or up-cycling old furniture for extended life.
Sitting back and complaining that nothing is worth doing is definitely the thinking man’s game.
Congratulations.
Ms. Mandaville
I think you may have misunderstood or we / I may not have correctly made our point.
I’m saying keep the efforts we have, but sticking billions of dollars into some of these outlandish ideas make no.sense.
I personally think from my limited knowledge is if there is a major climate change…we will suffer because it will be another Ice Age.
One can survive water, heat, but extreme cold is near impossible…( it is no where as cold as the Ice Age but plant some vegetables today and see what happens)
Yes many may survive another Ice Age but not without reverting to a heat source that will effect the climate, and the cycle will start over once again.
Don’t throw up your hands in desperation, continue to do what you can…do not except money to change the climate, extreme outlandish laws or elimination of things will not work .
Getting all the people’s of the world trying to help slow the climate change process may work. Unless Nature decides to do what it wants over which to this point we really have no control.
We have to come to a understanding…there arr somethings in life we may influence but never control
Mr. Smit, Harry,
Respectfully, I have missed your point if you truly believe that working on energy sources beyond the old fossil fuels is futile.
I live in the desert now, Chandler AZ south of Phoenix. We get well over 300 days of sunshine a year, all day long. Yet solar power is underutilized, even through efforts by some local utilities.
We drive through west TX once or twice a year where the wind is dependable. (Not unlike northern AZ with powerful and reliable desert wind.) We drive past wind farms and countless semis carrying turbine blades to that area, but thousands of acres of equally beneficial land sit without turbines to add to the energy needs of the southwest.
My personal opinion is that throwing money toward both of these sources of energy is worth the expense, particularly from the moral stewardship of the planet and her resources point of view.
By doing so we are, at the very least, setting an example for the rest of the country, if not the world. And withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord has undone anything we have accomplished so far in that arena.
You will have to make a stronger case with more concrete examples of what we can do, instead of the “woe is us” we are victims of the world’s mistakes attitude because too much money goes to people you don’t like, even though it is through capitalism that such changes are made.
Ms. Mandaville, for all the acres of solar farms and windmill turbines, they only contribute a total of 3% to the electrical grid. If you doubled the present output, you’d still need the fossil fuel industry to provide modern conveniences and basic necessities. Contrary to what we were taught in school, oil and natural gas are naturally produced by the earth worldwide. God is great!
Ms. Mandaville,
Funny you bring up sorting recyclables and trash. I worked for a “sustainable” and environmentally aware company for years. I would be working late on a project and the cleaning people would come by to pick up our two wastebaskets (one for recycling, one for trash) and I watched as the young man came by and emptied each one into the same barrel. I asked him about it and he said both are emptied into the same dumpster and hauled away. I spoke to HR about it and they said in no uncertain terms they would correct it. It was still happening until I left. Guess HR didn’t want to rock the boat!
The fossil fuel industry is making good money by doing nothing. How about Antarctica and 69 degrees?
Since you contribute to the fossil fuel industry and enjoy its benefits (heating your home , cooking your food, charging your Prius, etc.) maybe you should be grateful they exist. Unless you want to chop wood, kill critters to eat, and haul water from the creek?
A Prius doesn’t need to be charged. I enjoy benefits of modern life, but I am more than willing to change how I get these benefits if it makes things better for all.
DOTM,
I don’t know where you went to school, but I WAS taught in school that oil and gas are natural products of scientific changes to other naturally occurring substances. The by-products of fossil fuels are also naturally occurring products of combustion, but their overabundance isn’t necessarily good for us or the earth. I’m not sure what you’re arguing, other than by doubling solar and wind doesn’t accomplish much. But what about when you take that doubling out exponentially? Then it look pretty good.
Mrs Mandaville, it’s clear Mr Traxler wants to argue and continue to insist science is a Chinese menu where one can pick and choose what parts of science should and should not be trusted. Climate scientists use the same chemistry, physics and biology that people who build jets, skyscrapers, bridges, medical devices and pharmaceuticals.
A while back Mr. Traxler wrote about his treatment for prostate cancer and praised the doctors who were treating him and the advanced science used in his treatments. Given Mr. Traxler’s propensity to challenge some science, I am left wondering why he didn’t seek out someone who would treat him with mercury, arsenic or give him a few good bleedings if modern science is so suspect.
Mr. Couchman,
Cancer is a serious subject that I mentioned to help others. The data is meant to help men with Prostrate Cancer and to urge men to get a PSA test and to get treatment.
Please refute the data in the column, what data in the column is wrong or incorrect ? If you can not disagree with the column attack the author. I did not refute one or question one scientific study, rather stated if true it is to late to stop the ever increasing population and fossil fuel use.
I pray you never get Prostrate Cancer but if you do perhaps the data in my column will help you.
Sir/Madam, you are below contempt.
Army Bob, Hooorahhh!
Your BFF.
DTOM
DTOM,
Thank you. The Couchperson is a truly despicable person. He must not be able to comprehend or never reads what is written.
Thanks again.